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Thursday, July 25, 2013

About validity, controversy and recognition of distance learning degree of PTU (Punjab Technical University) and KSOU (Karnataka State Open University)

119 comments :
Hello Friends, HR folks and all those who are inspiring me everyday to post about universities, degrees and other information on my blog,

Thanks a lot for your enormous love, question and motivation.
I have exposed SCDL, ICFAI, Welingkar(Distance), NMIMS (Distance), Jodhpur National, Shobhit, Vinayak Mission, MGU Shillong, Calicut, CMJ University, EIILM, SMU and many others. You will find all the information with proper evidence.
To clarify again, My whole intention is to improve quality of the education, bringing facts to you and make you aware. Any degree does not help in the career growth but a right degree and from a right university definitely do that.

I have a complaint with my readers. Few people ask same question again and again and the fact is, all the questions they have asked are already available on my this blog as well as http://simplygovind.blogspot.com I request you to please scan my blog first and if you are not satisfied with the information provided there, then put the question forward. Many time, I am busy at my work and other task so I cannot reply immediately. Please have patience and keep pouring your all queries.

Till now, I have exposed mostly the private university's unholy degree scams and now many actions happening from government side. But there are also  few state government universities who are violating various norms and offering degrees. The difference is: private universities are openly selling degrees whereas these state universities are violating norms, allowing malpractices and offering degrees through the franchisees. The result of this is hampering student's life. The degree obtained become non acceptable for higher studies and public sector job. Therefore students need to be very careful. Please do not go for easy degree which makes your life miserable. Better, do a little hard work. In the life, in the path of success, there is no short cut.


About acceptance of Punjab Technical University and Karnataka State Open University (KSOU)? Is the degree valid?
Well, Punjab Technical University's all full time degrees are valid. But its distance learning programme stands invalid.

What wrong have PTU and KSO done? It is a university so it can offer any degree.
No, this is the half truth that PTU can offer any degree.
To maintain the standard and quality of education including distance education, UGC issued circular and certain norms. After that DEC also set the same norms. Now DEC has dissolved and UGC as well as individual bodies are separately issuing approval related to distance education. Please read the following blog post for more details:

As per the circular as well as previous guidelines, following conditions apply to all universities and institutes offering distance learning programmes:
1. Universities must follow the territorial jurisdiction: This means a central university can offer distance learning degree anywhere in India. A state University can offer within their jurisdiction i.e. the district where they have jurisdiction. You may refer my various blogpost on the same. A private university cannot offer a distance learning course outside the city where they are situated and same rule applies to deemed universities.
Here, KSOU as well as PTU offered the courses in India and abroad breaching the guideline. Any degree in distance mode obtained by violating the jurisdiction becomes invalid for higher studies and public sector job.



2. Franchisee of higher education is not allowed: As per this guideline, all universities have to offer the degree courses by their own. They have to admit students, they have to conduct exams and they have to control everything. Any universities cannot offer franchisee of study centre, cannot allow a private individual to take franchisee and control role of the university. In case of PTU, KSOU as well as SMU, it has happened that they charged private individual and gave them franchisee of its courses. This is a violation and it lead to poor quality and lack of control in degree awarding. For example, IGNOU also offer courses in India and abroad but IGNOU has its own paid staff at regional centres, it controls examinations and overall operations. All universities must follow this norm. Few of the universities complying with this norms are : University of Mumbai, all other state government universities in Maharashtra, Patna University, Aligarh Muslim University, Maulana Azaad National University, University of Delhi, Kurukshetra University, Guru Nanak Dev University Amritsar, Universities in Gujarat etc. 

Due to the violation, degrees of KSOU, PTU and SMU becomes invalid.


3. Prior approval of other regulating body: Before offering courses in distance mode, it is mandatory to take approval of other controlling and regulating  bodies. Unfortunately, PTU, SMU as well as KSOU did not take any such approvals. I am listing course and approving body here for your understanding.

Sr. No.
Course Sectors
Degrees Nomenclature
Approving and controlling bodies
1
Engineering, IT and Management
Diploma in Engineering, BE, B.Tech, M.E., M.Tech, MBA, MMS, MBS, MBE, MCA, MCM, M.Sc. (Computer Science), MS (engineering, software, telecom( etc.,  Master of Management, PGDBA, PGDHRM, PGDMM, PGDFM, PGDM, M.Phil and Ph.D in engineering, technology, management
AICTE (All India Council for Technical Education), New Delhi
2
Architecture
Diploma in Architecture, B.Arch., M.Arch, M.Phil and Ph.D in architecture
Council of Architecture, New Delhi
3
Pharmacy
Diploma in Pharmacy (D. Pharm), Bachelor of Pharmacy (B. Pharm), Master of Pharmacy (M.Pharm), M. Phil and Ph.D in pharmaceutical science
Pharmacy Council of India (PCI), New Delhi
4
Nursing
ANM, GNM, Diploma in Nursing, B.Sc. Nursing, M.Sc. Nursing, M. Phil and Ph.D in nursing
Indian Nursing Council (INC), New Delhi
5
Medicine
MBBS, MD, DM, M.Ch., M.S., M.Sc. (field related to medicine only), Diploma, MHA, DPB, FCPS, MCPS, M.Phil and Ph.D in medicine and any course related to modern medicine
Medical Council of India (MCI), New Delhi
6
Law
LLB, LLM, M.Phil and Ph.D in Law
Bar Council of India, New Delhi
7
Ayurvedic Medicine
DAMS, BAMS, MD (Ayurvedic Medicine), MS (Ayurvedic Medicine), Diploma in Ayurved and Ph.D in Ayurvedic Medicine
Central Council of Indian Medicine (CCIM), New Delhi
8
Unani Medicine

Central Council of Indian Medicine (CCIM), New Delhi
9
Siddha and Naturopathy
Diploma in Naturopathy (ND), Bachelor of Naturopathy and Yogic Science (BNYS), Bachelor of Naturopathy (B.Nat.)
Department of AYUSH, Government of India
10
Homeopathy  
DHMS, BHMS, MD (Homeopathy), MS (Homeopathy), Ph.D Homeopathy
Central Council of Homeopathy, New Delhi
11
Teaching and teachers education
D.Ed, B.Ed., M.Ed., M.Phil and Ph.D in education
National Council for Teachers Education (NCTE), Bhopal
12
Rehabilitation and special education
D.Ed. Special Education, B.Ed. (Special Education), M.Ed. (Special Education), Post Graduate Diploma in Rehabilitation Psychology, Hearing impaired, learning disability etc., M.Phil and Ph.D in special Education
Rehabilitation Council of India, (RCI), New Delhi
13
Aerospace and Aircraft related courses
B.E./ B.Tech. (Aerospace), B.E./ B.Tech. (Aeronautical), Aircraft maintenance engineering, flying related course
AICTE and DGCA (Directorate General of Civil Aviation


So even if a university is approved from UGC, it is not sufficient. It has to take approval for the specialised courses above. As of now, except IGNOU nobody offer and nobody can offer B.Sc, Nursing. There is complete ban on offering engineering, pharmacy, architecture, medicine, ayurveda, unani, siddha, homeopathy and aerospace as well as aeronautical engineering courses through distance mode. KSOU, PTU and many other universities openly violated the norms and offered engineering courses through distance mode. Since prior approval was not taken, all these degrees stands invalid.


I hope this information is sufficient to understand why the degrees from SMU, KSOU and PTU is invalid. There are many other universities who are violating the norms. Since many students have trapped in these universities, I focussed the article on this. 



You may refer various newspaper link, show cause notice as follows for more evidence and information. 


Degree scam of Punjab Technical University


PTU barred from admitting students


Delhi HC order to stop admission to PTU

FIR against Punjab Technical University

KSOU defies DEC order

Higher education minister ask KSOU not to declare result

Karnataka Government warn stern action against KSOU


They are simply university. Why they are selling degrees rather than imparting education? I advise students not to take any admission in these universities.

119 comments :

taushik seal said...

PTU and SMU is having the largest network of study centres for providing distance courses, and Agency officials said SMU admitted 17.61 lakh students in its 728 study centres all over India between 2004 and 2011 and made a profit of Rs 85 crore. Similarly, PTU admitted several lakh students in its 894 study centres and made a profit of Rs 384 crore.....!!!!

I m sharing few links for the reference http://www.hindustantimes.com/Punjab/Jalandhar/Suit-against-PTU-Court-impleads-DCE-stay-on-exams-to-continue/SP-Article1-1028450.aspx

http://news.legalindia.in/high-court-restrains-ptu-admissions-in-distance-courses

Govind Sharma said...

and by doing so they earned lot of money. They violated everything. IGNOU's ex VC Pillai was the mastermind and a criminal to polluting distance education in India for vested interest.

Anonymous said...

IS AFTER AUGUST 2012 ADMISSION IN PUNJAB TECHNICAL UNIVERSITY THROUGH DISTANCE MODE VALID OR INVALID OUTSIDE THE STATE.AND WHATS WILL HAPPEN WITH THOSE STUDENTS WHO HAS ALREADY PAY FEES TO PTU.

Anonymous said...

IS AFTER AUGUST 2012 ADMISSION IN PUNJAB TECHNICAL UNIVERSITY THROUGH DISTANCE MODE VALID OR INVALID OUTSIDE THE STATE.AND WHATS WILL HAPPEN WITH THOSE STUDENTS WHO HAS ALREADY PAY FEES TO PTU.

Govind Sharma said...

In October DEC asked PTU not to take any admission in January 2013, Delhi high court also directed to stop admission
So
If anybody has completed the course before that directly from the university, the degree stands valid for public sector job and higher education.
If it is done through franchisee then it does not stand valid for higher education and public sector job.
After October 2012 if anyone has taken admission and doing the course, the degree stands invalid

Govind Sharma said...

please see reply below

taushik seal said...

PTU is just playing with the career of the students, I found out that many of the students from Kolkata has already appeared their 3 sem exams but have not received any of the original marksheets yet, even their 3rd sem result is not found in the website. the study centres have even declared the examination dates from 20th November 2013 but their is no details of such in the website of PTU. Even the hallticket they provided have no seal and signature of the controller or the additional or the assistant controller rather they had seal and signature of a different organisation.

I have mailed some documents regarding this to you...plz have a look.

Govind Sharma said...

I agree Taushik, going to write about it soon with the help of the documents you have provided

taushik seal said...

Govind,
waiting to a full post post on the malpractice of PTU on your site.

Anonymous said...

Dear sir,
i have read your post regarding private university fact than i decided to share my problem with you and your suggestion what to i do?
i have done diploma in electronics engg from govt polyt. college from btu rajasthan and now working with reputed organization last 7 years.
then for b.tech(electrical and electronics engg) i enrolled in shridhar university,rajasthan now i am in 3rd year,i opt it becaz easily getting degree due to lack of time to give on study.
but after knowing fact i am totally confused should i drop it now and look for another option or
1.may i get electrical inspetor certificate on the basis of this degree?
2.May i go abrod on this degrr?
3.may i apply for govt jobs like rrb or rajasthan EB jobs basis on this b.tech?
4.may i apply for higher education on this degree?
please guide me i will b e thankful to you.
Thanks
pradeep sharma

Govind Sharma said...

Hi,

Shridhar has emerged as a degree scam university like EIILM, CMJ, Shobhit, and MGU to name few.
Being a private university, it cannot offer any course outside its campus in Pilani
AICTE has put ban on offering engineering degree through distance and off campus mode so AICTE has not authorised Shridhar University to offer this degree.

1.may i get electrical inspetor certificate on the basis of this degree?
Well, the eligibility for electrical inspector is as follows:
The examination for Certificate of Competency Class-I shall be open to Electrical Supervisor, Foreman and Chargehands. A candidate intending to appear for the said examination shall have at least five years experience of practical wiring after passing the Class-II, Certificate of Competency examination. The Board may grant Certificate of Competency Class-1 to any candidate, who possesses a recognised Degree or Diploma or equivalent qualification in Electrical Engineering from any Technical lnstitute / College or University recognised by the Board. In this case, he must have completed the training/job in rectifying the common defects in electrical line and power installation for a period of one and three years after passing Degree or Diploma respectively.
Since you already have a Diploma in engineering and 5+ years experience, without B.Tech also you can get it.


2.May i go abroad on this degree?
You may or may not. It depend on your employer.

3.may i apply for govt jobs like rrb or rajasthan EB jobs basis on this b.tech?
No becuase the degree is unaturised and unapproved.

4.may i apply for higher education on this degree?
No, it is not an approved degree

please guide me i will b e thankful to you.

Anonymous said...

Thank you very much sir for your prompt response.
but a little confusion that as i told you above that i m in 3rd year or if they show my degree in on campus instead of outside campus pilani then above asked condition will fulfill.
Regards:
pradeep sharma

Anonymous said...

Is Institute of Alternative Medicines in Kolkotta(Distance mode) recognized?

Govind Sharma said...

Its a fake institute
medicine (any stream) should be at least of 5 1/2 years after passing HSC/ 10+2 in science stream with minimum 50% mark in PCB and admission should happen through entrance exam only. It cannot be offered in distance mode.

Anonymous said...

HI Govind sharma,

I am from Karnataka, I did diploma in computer science Eng, I want to Opt BCA or B sc., May I know which council should be approve these two courses.? Please refer open distance college to opt course.

Anonymous said...

KSOU is still offering UG/PG programs outside Karnataka. On its site it even has a link for opening new study centre. Their partners are still marketing KSOU programs in Odisha saying that KSOU is an open university and hence the later UGC notification does not apply on them. Kindly clarify..

Anonymous said...

hi sir i m from punjab and done bcom (2010-2012) from eiilm university distance mode is it valid and can apply for futher studies through distance or regular mode.please guide me what should i do now to have good education

Govind Sharma said...

Hi,
There is no council to approve BCA or B.Sc in full time mode. For distance, it must be approved by UGC's DEB
Please read following article for more details
http://blog.simplycareer.net/2013/06/ugc-has-issued-fresh-guideline-on.html

Govind Sharma said...

No,
There is a clear guideline
Please read following article
http://blog.simplycareer.net/2013/06/ugc-has-issued-fresh-guideline-on.html

IF KSOU's Act allow the same, even in that condition it can offer courses through its own study centre with full time KSOU employee only and not through franchisee. Such degrees are invalid

Govind Sharma said...

No
EIILM is under controversy and still the matter is pending
You should check any state or central university who allow EIILM degree holder to pursue PG or additional degree, you must opt that

Regards
Govind

Anonymous said...

I have done my b.com from eiilm university I am from bangalore and I have got a job where I need to submit all my documents before that I want to know if it's really valid and they will be able to verify my degree or not I completed my b.com in 2012

Anonymous said...

Dear Sir,

I have completed my B.E. in electronics domain (Mumbai University)
I am working as Sr. Development engineer in Electronics Company with work experience of 7 years in Research & Development
I am planning to join the part time Project management course & get the benefit of it in my professional life (without leaving the job)
Can you provide the information about the AICTE approved suitable MBA stream ?

i came to know about the distance course from

bharathiar university------- run by "JARO INSTITUTE" & "LAXMIBAI EDUCATIONAL TRUST as study centre

OR

from kaizan with MG university meghlaya

please comment on the same, which one i can choose ? or still there is any good option?


Waiting for reply

Regards,

Vineet A said...

Hi Govind,

Really appreciate the efforts you are putting in here.

I want your opinion for my brother's case, he completed B.Sc in hotel management and catering technology from HIHT,Agra study center of Punjab Technical University. He completed the course in 2009.

From PTU act, am pasting below:

18) do all such other acts whether incidental to the powers afro-said or not, as may be requisite in order to further the objects of the
University.
5. (1) The territorial limits in which the University shall exercise its power and perform it duties shall be the whole of the State of Punjab and
other regions outside the State of Punjab as may be decided by the Board of Governors from time to time subject to any regulations and
statues.

This says : "other regions outside the State of Punjab as may be decided by the Board of Governors from time to time subject to any regulations and
statues.", so does his degree stand valid?

Thanks & Regards,
Vineet

Md Shahid Akhtar said...

u give me your email id so i can send the documents which ptu got from joint comittee,ugc-de-aicte.In 2013 month of august ptu got notification from ugc regarding not operating in other states but those who are already studying for them there is a rule that ugc allows them to complete their courses,so dont worry as i also faced the same problem as i am also a ptu dep student but i have got positive response from my lc,ptu even i sent the mail on rti to mhrd but they sent me a document where it's mentioned that ptu is not allowed to offer courses beyond their state,this was decided in the year 2009 by dec,BUT i know that in 2009 it was restricted but in the year 2010 in joint committee meeting they changed their decision and then they allowed central and state university to offer courses beyond their states,where ptu is a state university,so these thing dont told to me by ugc so again i made first appeal and everyone will be shocked to know that till now no reply has given,so dont worry ptu degrees are fully valid and also the matter is in delhi high court,so the justice will obviously be in students favour,Dont forget that more than 2 lakh students are studying,send me your email id so that i can send u the documents

David Sam kumar said...

Dear Mr. Govind,

First of all I appriciate your social care for the students, when i read your blog i was shocked because iam also one of the betrayed student from KSOU, iam studying Btech in civil engineering in KSOU after completing diploma in regular mode, I had take admission from Bharat Post Graduate College, chennai, Tamilnadu and studying sofar, this is my 6th semester, please advise my degree is valid or unvalid? waiting for your valuable reply ...

Regards,

David

bapu said...

Dear govind ,
Very good infirmative bl9g . Thank alot for your great efforts . Please dont stop this. Many prople like us knowing facts . I have same issue . I did BCA from JRN Rajastah vidyapeeth in 2007 . I am having very good experience in my creative field . I never used my certificates . I never tried to find these are fake or real? But now I got very good job offer from a college but they want me to do m.sc . They only pay fees and make my job permenant . So please tell me whetehe JRN Rv university certificates are valid for further studies ? Please clear me sir. I DINT get provisional certificate . Is it necessary for pg.
Thank you sir .please reply

Anonymous said...

HI Mr. Govind, Can you tell me Bharat post Gratuate College in Cheenai is franchise of Karnataka Starte Open University , if we studied there our degree is valid or invalid, because iam in 3rd year 6th semester.

Thanks in advance for your valuable reply..

Anonymous said...

Hello Sir, I have done my Graduation(MBBS) from Punjab. Currently I am working in Government Sector. I want to do PG degree or diploma while continuing my job. I think only option is DISTANCE EDUCATION. KINDLY throw light on this aspect and what PGsttudy I do, so that it help me when I go abroad outside INDIA

Jassi Kaur said...

Mr. Ajesh Gugnani is man committing fraud and immoral acts using the tuition funds of students for the production of films containing inappropriate and immoral materials. One such example is the Film, “Darling” a so called cheap movie by the name itself and not good for family and society.

Ajesh Gugnani, has spoiled not only his name but the name PTU, Punjab Technical University with his fraudulent actions. Because of his actions and the harm he has done to his students he has had an FIR filed against him. His case can be viewed on this link http://www.hindustantimes.com/punjab/jalandhar/process-started-to-declare-five-accused-as-proclaimed-offenders/article1-1066810.aspx

His wife Anju, and his brother Sanjeev have also been involved with him supporting him in his crimes.

Anonymous said...

Is SINGHANIA UNIVERSITY BTech FAKE?

Anonymous said...

Is SINGHANIA UNIVERSITY BTech valid worldwide

Govind Sharma said...

if the degree is full time and has approval of other agencies like AICTE, NCTE, MCI etc

Govind Sharma said...

The Supreme court judgment is groslly misintrepreted. Singhania University is not approved by AICTE (University does not need AICTE approval as per the definition of AICTE Act however, you also must understand that department under a university offer the course and such department must have AICTE approval
Singhania's B.Tech is not recognized by AICTE hence it is not valid for education abroad and also in India. It is also not valid for public sector job. For private sector job, it depends on the respective organisation to whether accept it or not

Anonymous said...

PTU was earlier recognised by UGC-AICTE and DEC. so even the degree of students who took admission in 2010 and completed their degree in 2013 stands invalid? If i am not wrong, it is only the students who took admission after DEC recognition for the university was cancelled (2012). Else it does not make sense how they can abruptly cancelled all the students degree prior to 2012 because it was recognized by the all the three regulating body. Please help clarify my doubts. Thank you in advance.

Govind Sharma said...

Yes, you are partially right. However, as per the UGC guideline, jurisdiction of the university was only upto state of Punjab and it was not allowed to offer franchisee of the distance education to private institute hence both the degree stood invalid

Salew Enah said...

i don't know which is right. Delhi high court has allowed students who took admission before 2012 to complete their degree. Even so their degree is not valid?

Anonymous said...

i don't know which is right. Delhi high court has alowed students who took admission before 2012 to complete their exams last year. Even then the degree of such students stands invalid?

Anonymous said...

Can you suggest me the right way to clarify this matter. Do we clarify this doubts from UGC or ignou? Regarding territorial jurisdiction, why did it took so long for UGC to intervene if PTU was not allowed to conduct distance education beyond punjab? what is the best way. please help. can i apply for pg course in other university?

Anonymous said...

so you filed RTI? what was their response? can you please share the HRD views on the matter?

Anonymous said...

Can you please go in detail and help us out? what best can be done by the students in this scenario? thank you.

Govind Sharma said...

No, if such court order exist and unless it is challenged in the higher court, such degree stands valid

Govind Sharma said...

Only UGC can solve it, please file an RTI application to them. If you need help send the draft to me on hopegovind@gmail.com I'll check and send you the correct draft

Ankush Bhagoria said...

hi sir i was done bsc in hotel managment & tourism from ptu dep in 2012 from h.p. is my degre is valid to take admission in mtm from ignou

Anonymous said...

Sir,

I want to do a BS in IT course through distance medium.

Please recommend me the correct university

Anonymous

Anonymous said...

sir,

I would like to pursue a distance BS degree in IT . Please guide me as to which university is valid

anonymous

Anonymous said...

Sir,

I am diploma holder working in the IT industry for last 10 years and looking to complete BSC. IT from SMU. Do you believe its a good option. Has anything changed at this institutes for better. Why are they still allowed to advertise there courses by the government. Please advice.

Sambaran Sarkar said...

Sir i am completed bca from ptu in 2011 ...all above thing are you told are right..
but ugc /dec/aicte declare such notice in 2013-2014... my question is my degree is valid/not ..and i also sending you a document in your email...plz rpl me

Anonymous said...

Hi..sir,
I am sofia,I wanted to try for the upsc exam next year but my problem is that I graduated in hotel management from a private institute in kolkata which was affiliated to ptu. I am a 2010-2013 batch i.e I graduated in 2013 september. Is my degree valid? Can I appear for upsc or any other govt. jobs with this degree as I have heard that ptu has lost it's distance education recognition.
Your reply would be really helpful.

Thanx

Anonymous said...

Is distance education center of Madras university valid for doing msc chemistry in amritsar

Anonymous said...

Hello sir my name is Manish ,,, is distance education center of Madras university valid for doing msc chemistry which is located in amritsar my email is manishnarang85@yahoo.com my contact is 9815311125

Ankita said...

Hi Sir ,

I have completed my Bcom from Pune univerity and now settled in Bangalore.I wanted to do MBA in HR in distance in Bangalore,Please suggest me which university is good in Bangalore and its degree is valid. as after looking your blogs i dropped himalayan university and JNU as of now.. Please suggest me

kavi raj said...

Hi Sir ,

I have completed my Bcom from Pune univerity and now settled in Bangalore.I wanted to do MBA in HR in distance in Bangalore,Please suggest me which university is good in Bangalore and its degree is valid. as after looking your blogs i dropped himalayan university and JNU as of now.. Please suggest me

Faisal Cholayil said...

Hi Govind,
Can you please give your opinion about KSOU online programs (Bsc IT)?
Since its online, and i am not from the same state, is it valid? because what i understand is if i enroll the degree directly from university then it is valid, is it right for KSOU on Online mode?
Thank you and waiting your valuable
feedback

Faysal

Anonymous said...

Hi, Please help me to choose an MBA from IGNOU or any other valid university, I have done MSc in Botany full time and joined the job. After 16 months I resigned from a corporate job and got 2 years PGDBA degree from SCDL, Pune. I started to teach in a govt college As a guest lecturer. Now I want to write Ugc-Net but my MBA is not valid for NET exam. Now I want to pursue PhD in management. Is it possible to do Masters and PhD simultaneously in full time? May I take admission in MA in labor and industrial management full time for NET exam along with a PhD? Or MBA from IGNOU along Phd.

Govind Sharma said...

Hi
SCDL offers Pg Diploma not mBA you may opt IGNOU as well as Pondicherry Univerity

Govind Sharma said...

no, KSOU cannot offer any course outside its campus and currently it does not have DEB approval either

Govind Sharma said...

Hi
You should opt Pondicherry and if you are looking for public sector job you may look for IGNOU too
Both Himalayan and JNU are private and not authorised to offer any course outside its campus

Govind Sharma said...

As per dEB approval it should not offer any course outside Tamil Nadu
If you appear for exams anywhere in Tamil Nadu and apply to University directly, then it stands valid

Govind Sharma said...

Hi,
Your degree is not valid for public sector job including UPSC civil services.
However, if you can establish that your degree was obtained without violating territorial jurisdiction and the programme had DEB approval it stands valid

Govind Sharma said...

Hi,
The territorial jurisdiction was already there and I believe it was in effect from 2010

Govind Sharma said...

I doubt, prefer a course from a university which does not violate any regulation

Govind Sharma said...

Hi,
In that case you should opt MBA hospital management from Pondicherry University or a PG Diploma in Hospital Administration from IGNOU
Both are good and valid

Govind Sharma said...

Hi
If you are looking for a recognized degree you should opt IGNOU
If you are from Delhi or Mumbai you may opt Bharati Vidyapeeth too
You should also look for state university who has jurisdiction in your city. If you help with your city name, I can provide few options

Govind Sharma said...

You should peition against UGC and DEB

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Anonymous said...

hello sie
i had done Msc chemistry from vinayaka mission university through distance mode in 2009-2011 session.is this degree valid in punjab for govt job?

Anonymous said...

im completed my b.sc. mass comm form ptu distance mode since 2012... plz tell me my dgree is vaild or not???

Govind Sharma said...

Already replied
If it is of minimum 3 years duration and obtained by appearing exams actually within Punjab state then only it is valid

Govind Sharma said...

If you have done it through any study centre anywhere in India, it is invalid
If you have applied directly to the university and appeared for exam at Salem then only valid
Yes, during final selection Punjab government will ask you to produce required document as this is a deemed university and it has to take exams within its campus in Salem TN only otherwise the degree will be invalid

Anonymous said...

Yes, its 3 year duartion progreme. Bt i heard that ptu losted recognisetion so my qustion is that what im give UPSC exams and other govt eaxms?? And also apply for higher study??

Anonymous said...

Im out of state student of ptu dep and gave exams form a study centre in rajasthan.

Govind Sharma said...

no, then the degree is invalid
It could offer course in Punjab only

Anonymous said...

Then whats the solution of this... its means im just 12th pass.. I cant get admission in higher eduction? ?? Plz tell me nw what can I do??

Anonymous said...

Its the totally worng.... lakh of student, they will where go?? Since 2012 it was recognised university then why the degree invaild now out of state? Its really too much.....

Anonymous said...

I have taken admission in b.tech from ksou
Not doing regular due to some financial problem
So worried sir please tell me After doing open b.tech fromm Ksou can I apply for government jobs exams and goverment jobs or not

Anonymous said...

didnt get any response but next hearing in delhi high court is on 2nd or 3rd september

Govind Sharma said...

the B.Tech degree is invalid and KSOU has already withdrawn it

Govind Sharma said...

thats why buyer need to beware

Govind Sharma said...

opt for Pondicherry University, it has centre in Bangalore

Anonymous said...

Hello sir!
What about AMIE(IEINDIA-KOLKATA) Recognisation.degree valid for current students?

Archit Srivastava said...

Wat abt dep student of batch 2010-2013 course??? Will dre degree be valid?

Archit Srivastava said...

NO THE M ON WEATHER PTU DEP ARE VALID OR NOT IS STILL UNDER SCRUTNY ..SUPREME COURT HAS REFUSED TO INTERFARE WHILE HIMACHAL COURT IS YET TO GIVE ITS FINAL VERDICT .I AM SURE STUDENT ADMITTED BEFORE AUG 2012 WILL GET A CLEAN CHIT N THERE DEGREE'S WILL BE VALID TO TAKE UP JOBS N PG COURSES

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anuradha said...

Pls guide on recognised online /distance learning university /institute for doing pg diploma course on guidance and counselling.Thanks

Govind Sharma said...

The territorial jurisdiction still remains the issue and as of now, DEB has allowed PTU to admit students but only from Punjab. My suggestion, all the ex-students out of Punjab should re-appear for exam from Punjab and that may make their PTU degree valid but they must approach university directly.

Govind Sharma said...

No, the degree is invalid

Govind Sharma said...

all those who enrolled upto 2012, their AMIE degree will be equivalent to BE/ B.Tech and recognized.

Govind Sharma said...

Hi

You may opt 1 year PG Diploma in guidance and counselling from NCERT

It is the best option available, it is online however, there is 2 months compulsory residentship required in one of the regional centre of NCERT

Please refer

http://www.ncert.nic.in/announcements/notices/pdf_files/Information_Brochure_2013.pdf

other options are:

Jamia Milia Islamia- very reputed, central university

http://jmi.ac.in/aboutjamia/centres/distance-open-learning/courses-name/Post_Graduate_Diploma_in_Guidance_and_Counselling_PGDGC-520/2

Aligarh Muslim University is another good option, please check

http://www.amu.ac.in/nonacademic.jsp?did=10005&lid=Program%20Offered

IGNOU is another good option if you are looking into family counselling

http://www.ignou.ac.in/ignou/aboutignou/icc/ncds/programmes/detail/449/2



I hope these are sufficient. Let me know if you need any further help.

Md Shahid Akhtar said...

I am also a ptudep student,my admission year was 2011,that time the policy was that any university central or state can offer courses beyond their territorial jurisdiction,the policy was changed in june 2012,note changed in 2012 but my admission year is 2011,so our degree is fully valid but ignou has refused to give admission because of territorial jurisdiction now when i am asking that my admission year was 2011 and the policy was changed in 2012,and i am showing the approval letter of joint committee ugc-dec-aicte,they are not reacting,there it's clearly mention that ptu can offer courses beyond their territorial jurisdiction,but ignou is not accepting the approval letter,even i requested to Smriti Mam by posting my grievances on MHRD website to look the matter as there are 2 lakh students life involved,
Regarding Franchising-I would like to say that IGNOU also dont have their own study centre,they use government and private colleges to help student,similarly our university PTU had given affiliation to the best learning centre,look the infrastructure of PTU study centre and IGNOU study centre,where PTU conducts the exam at AICTE approved colleges and answersheets are checked by their teachers not by study centre,even PTU has their regional centres like IGNOU,Dear Guys we need to come together to get justice we may have to file PIL in court for not accepting the approval letter of joint committee of ugc-dec-aicte given to PTU,we r the students we should come together ,contact with me because i know what falls on us when anyone rejects our degree,See the case of Delhi university four year programme where ugc had given approval after the admission of the student because to save their future so r we not the human being,send me mail to contact with me-mdshahidakhtar1992@gmail.com

Md Shahid Akhtar said...

I am also a ptudep student,my admission year was 2011,that time the
policy was that any university central or state can offer courses beyond
their territorial jurisdiction,the policy was changed in june
2012,note changed in 2012 but my admission year is 2011,so our degree
is fully valid but ignou has refused to give admission because of
territorial jurisdiction

ann said...

Thanks for your revert. Check and found JMI to be good. However, was unable to get any info whether they have a compulsory wkshp/training /contact pgme like in NCERT pgme. Do you have any info on the same? Thanks

Govind Sharma said...

it is optional please refer prospectus

I still advise to opt NCERT

JMI is also good as it is a well reputed university a central university and holds good value

please see Jamia Milia Islamia Distance Education prospectus and download at

http://jmi.ac.in/upload/admission/prospectus_distancemode_2014.pdf

Govind Sharma said...

Government has kept all these things loose and let the DEB DEC be corrupt. No, private franchisee of any university is prohibited from long time and yes, territorial jurisdiction issue came and went in between but government officials are not accepting that it does not apply.
IGNOU has its own staff, own regional director in each centre. Sorry, IGNOU strictly follow this. No private person can take IGNOU centre except in very few highly specialised courses

ann said...

Thank u.The only problem with NCERT is the 2 month residential pgme..

Govind Sharma said...

thats fine go ahead, JMI is also a good option

Md Shahid Akhtar said...

currently i tried to take admission in IGNOU and they said certificate obtained from centre at kolkata is not valid to take admission in ignou,but when i took admission that time the university can offer their courses beyond their boundaries but later in 2012 the restriction came,but ugc said that i m not eligible,currently i m in final sem and asked from them the information,they said this,st xaviers is a private body which is the study centre of ignou in kolkata,there are many government and private colleges which are the study centre of ignou and nsou,and many more,the infrastructure of ignou study centre is much better than my learning centre ,u can look infrastructure,ok let it be now what should i do,in order to get validtiy we must move court

Govind Sharma said...

Dear Shahid,

please refer my following article to get clarity on the Sikkim Manipal University matter

http://blog.simplycareer.net/2014/02/smudderecognitionissue.html



SMU was a private university and in prof Yashpal Vs state of Chhatisgarh case and UGC guideline in 2003, it was clearly mentioned that a private university cannot offer any course outside its campus.

Md Shahid Akhtar said...

I cant say anything on SMU ,there was also mentioned that private universities can offer their courses after 5 year of existence and getting prior approval from ugc,Please post Govind the full information,see the attached file the snapshot from ugc website,i am a ptu student

Md Shahid Akhtar said...

lets move to court

Md Shahid Akhtar said...

I am also a ptudep student,my admission year was 2011,that time the
policy was that any university central or state can offer courses beyond
their territorial jurisdiction,the policy was changed in june 2012,note
changed in 2012 but my admission year is 2011,so our degree is fully
valid but ignou has refused to give admission because of territorial
jurisdiction now when i am asking that my admission year was 2011 and
the policy was changed in 2012,and i am showing the approval letter of
joint committee ugc-dec-aicte,they are not reacting,there it's clearly
mention that ptu can offer courses beyond their territorial
jurisdiction,but ignou is not accepting the approval letter,

Md Shahid Akhtar said...

shall we move to consumert court against ignou,bcoz ignou deals with distance courses

Govind Sharma said...

after 5 years, they can apply for approval of starting off campus. in any case private universities cannot offer course outside their campus even in distance mode

Govind Sharma said...

For private university, rule was there since 2003, a private university cannot offer any course outside its campus

Govind Sharma said...

I think I have replied. JMI does not have compulsory classes. Go ahead

Govind Sharma said...

yes but there was also policy that an institute cannot offer courses through private franchisee. Actually this is all due to corruption in the UGC and DEB

Govind Sharma said...

you may file PIL in supreme court but you cannot file case on consumer court.

Md Shahid Akhtar said...

Ignou,nsou,and many more dont have their all own study centre,some study centre are private colleges,and some are government colleges,so this is not franchisy based,like government college shyamaprasad,maulana abdul kal azad and many more which is under university of calcutta,but they allow the ignou student and nsou and many more university to have personal contact programmes,so what is this,it's not acting as a franchisy based,thier the calcutta university teacher teaching to Nsou,ignou students,i think the same way ptu has given affiliations to it's learning centre,believe what i know now in BCA i can easily compare with regular student of BCA,see the lesson taught by me is similar like any regular colleges

Govind Sharma said...

there is difference, any college cannot opt IGNOU. There is a regional centre based on no of student where all control happens through regional centre. IGNOU has much tighter control whereas PTU, SMU offered anybody to open centre. no. PTU offered centre anybody who offered them money. Why a state university needs to become so hungry for money? in your case they might have done things rightly and you are a victim but most are not victim.

Md Shahid Akhtar said...

in my case also there is regional centre which is located in kolkata near 1 km away from my study centre

Md Shahid Akhtar said...

any college cannot opt ignou it's true but but ignou and other university dont have their own study centre,it's true

Govind Sharma said...

The reason is: Sikkim Manipal University is a private university and as per the UGC Act of 2003 about private university and also as per Supreme Court Judgment in prof Yashpal Vs State of Chhatisgarh, any private university should not offer any course outside its campus. Sikkim Manipal bribed then DEC chairman Rajashekharan Pillai and earned 5000 crore by violating the norms prescribed.

Md Shahid Akhtar said...

so ignou and other university degrees are also not valid because of franchisy based,it's true,if i move to the court then i will not leave any university,either give my degree valid or all the degree should be cancelled including ignou and nsou and many more,It's true that ignou also dont have thier all own study centre,in what basis they have allowed contact programmes for student that doesnt matter,but the matter is that ignou dont have thier own study centre

Govind Sharma said...

This matter may be filed as a PIL in supreme court but cannot be in consumer court

Govind Sharma said...

yes but a state university cannot offer course outside its state and cannot offer franchisee to private individual. The things should be as per the provision of the law. Even in the PTU Act nothing such was mentioned. A state Act also has applicability only upto the state

Md Shahid Akhtar said...

this policy was changed in 2012 and what will happened to them who took admission till 2011,did we know about future

Md Shahid Akhtar said...

the policy regarding not offering courses beyond their territorial was changed in 2012

Md Shahid Akhtar said...

please read when thier was no boundaries problem then it was clearly said that university can offer courses beyond thier urisdiction following their acta and statues

Md Shahid Akhtar said...

please read when thier was no boundaries problem then it was clearly said that university can offer courses beyond thier urisdiction following their acts and statues