Sunday, August 11, 2013

Impact on future of students from CMJ, MGU, EIILM and other private universities

Hello friends,
I got this mail from somebody who have query. I am posting the mail and my reply as it is.

Dear Govind,

How are you doing? It was good reading your blogs.I really could get a lot of information. Unfortunately many of the students have been hanging in between for CMJ university as we keep reading about it. Can you tell me what is the future of the students of passed out CMJ students? There are many students of masters , PHD and not all of them are just fake!!:( Can you also send in your number if you are fine with it.

Regards,
Xxx

My reply

Hi ,
I can understand whatever you are saying, yes all student might have not just bought the degree and few of them might have studied and earned it. However, due to gross irregularities this university's degree stands invalid.
The Meghalaya government has found the there is gross irregularity and the Act (CMJ University Act under which this private university is established ) was not followed even in the appointment of vice chancellor of the university. For every appointment in the University, it is compulsory to inform Governor of Meghalaya who is the highest authority of every state and private university in Meghalaya state. Unfortunately this university has not done so even in the appointment of vice chancellor. Therefore the Meghalaya Governor termed all the appointment as illegal so all the degrees issued by people appointed that way.
Therefore all the students who have obtained a full time degree by attending regular lectures at the university's main campus at Meghalaya may file a petition in high court or supreme court for relief.

CMJ University is not allowed to offer any course outside it campus whether in distance mode, external mode, off campus mode or industry integrated mode or industry collaboration mode. Therefore all of such degree automatically stands invalid for public sector job and for higher studies. However private companies may decide by their own whether to accept such qualifications or not. Most of the companies do not accept degrees from CMJ as well as other such universities like EIILM, MGU Shillong, Manav Bharti, Swami Vivekanad, C V Raman, Shobhit University, Jodhpur National, Jaipur National to give few examples.

Students need to be very careful and they may refer my various blogpost. I have also created state wise list of distance learning universities and I have written about course, validity and jurisdiction of each university. You can check them at http://simplygovind.blogspot.com
The problem is out greed. We are so greedy that instead of doing hard work and doing right thing,  We want to buy everything from money. Same is happening about degree too. Please note that only degree does not help in a job. We have to make ourselves eligible for this. If we truly develop the skills and really do hard work nothing becomes impossible. We need to be sincere and committed. Yes, I agree few genuine but they are very few (hardly 10% if all the students ) and they fall trap of these degree scamster.

Anybody who has query about degree validity of any university, please scan on the web about it first and do due diligence. You may post your query here too and I will reply for sure.

Regards
Govind

77 comments:

  1. Hi Govind,

    I'm Devi working in US MNC in Chennai.I planned to pursue Distance Education MBA in Madras University.I did my B.Tech IT in Panimalar Engg College.I have been working in MNC for the past 3 years.

    Please help me out whether my decision in doing MBA General(Systems Management) in Madras University is good or not.Whether getting the MBA degree in Madras University is valuable or not.

    I found your blog fortunately.Please help me out in taking a right decision at right time.

    Thanks in advance for your guidance!

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    1. Hi
      choosing University of Madras is definitely a good decision as you stay and work in Chennai only. you can go ahead but prefer executive MBA. you may also prefer Pondicherry university or Anna university.

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  2. Hi Govind bhai
    i planned to study mtec in anna university in tamilnadu
    i did my btec frm Bharath university ..
    can i eligible for applying mtec in anna/goa university ?
    becaz gvt derecognise my university n the 2010yr ..but nw there is nt any pblm ..but am still confusing ..will i gt admissin in anna university/goa university ?

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    1. Hi,
      UGC derecognized this alongwiyh other 42 deemed universities but the matter is pending I. supreme court hence the degree from Bharath University stands valid for Anna university admission

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  3. Hello, sir thanks for your noble work.
    I am working in a pharma mnc as a medical reresentative in Mumbai, I want to pursue an MBA degree in part-time. I want to opt for a course which offers weekend classes as i won't be able to attend daily evening lectures due to my hectic work schedule. I am thinking to enrol myself for the part-time Executive MBA programme of ITM, They are offering a dual MBA degree from Mahatma Gandhi University and Southern New Hampshire University. They claim that this Programme is UGC approved. I want to know whether this degree is valuable in corporate especially pharma world? If not then which other institutes and degree programmes of Part-time/Distance/Executive MBA will be suitable for me which have weekend classes and does not require more than 1 year of work exp. after graduation?
    Please reply as early as you can since last date of forms submission
    for ITM is on 20th aug, I will be really thankful of you.

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    1. Hi,
      this is true that Mahatma Gandhi is an approved private university but it cannot offer any course outside shilling Meghalaya. all degree of Mahatma Gandhi University outside shilling is invalid and ITM courses are too costly too.

      you may prefer Pondicherry University or University of Madras both are good, approved and offers distance MBA with weekend classes (pondicherry)

      If you can spend around 2 lakhsand 3 years you may opt MM from university of Mumbai from reputed colleges like JBIMS
      it is a 3 Years part time evening MBA courses

      you may also look for PG diploma in pharma sales management from IGNOu

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    2. Govind Ji, there has been delay in taking necessary action against MGU Meghalaya, regarding its setting up of Study Centres and its unapproved and unrecognized courses. What are your thoughts what must be going on? All the evidence are there and communication was also made with UGC and DEC.

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    3. The private universities in India are actually abig degree scam.between politician state and central government and the pimp who wants to sell the degree but why are weonly blaming them? Do not we have professors who want to buy degree without doing research so these private universities? Even state government knows very well that these people are not capable to deliver quality education but still by taking huge bribe. you have raised a right question. even UGC found that hardly 5 of more than 45 private universities it has inspected have enough infrastructure to deliver education. recently Council of Architecture withdrew approval to Jayoti Wines university Jaipur for lack of infrastructure and not awarding degree as per standards. all these are scams nothinf else. very few private universities are honestly awarding quality education.

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  4. Dear Sir,

    I was awarded Ph.D. degree in the year 2007. I have four-and-half years of teaching experience in a college . Now I am willing to do D.Litt degree. I came to know that Indira Gandhi Medical and Technological University, Arunachal Pradesh; and The Global Open University, Nagaland is offering D.Litt degree. I want to know whether these universities are recognised one by the UGC and whether the degrees offered by them are a valid one ? Please suggest me which university I can do D.Litt from.
    Please reply me . Awaiting your reply

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  5. Dear Sir,
    First of all thanks a lot for the help you are rendering to the students community.
    I was awarded Ph.D. degree in the year 2007. I have four-and-half years of teaching experience in a college . Now I am willing to do D.Litt degree. Please suggest me the universities offering D.Litt in India.

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    1. Hi D.Lit and D.Sc are post doctoral qualifications and usually need around 4-10 years post Ph.D experience. These experience add value to your profile so you should choose it from appropriate, well recognized universities only. I think you asked in another blogpost about TGOU and Indira Gandhi Tech University Arunachal who are offering the course- please avoid both the universities
      You may look for following universities
      1. Bharthidasan University
      http://www.bdu.ac.in/regulations/dlittregulations.pdf
      In Tanil Nadu if you want to get D.Lit/ D.Sc you must have 10 years post doctoral experience and it is most rigorous in the country
      If you want to opt reputed university like NLU Jodhpur, it ask 3 years experience, please refer
      http://www.nlujodhpur.ac.in/downloads/lldrules.pdf

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  6. Hi Govind,
    Thanks for your great initiative. I enrolled in the MSC-IT course of PTU in March,2010 from outside Punjab. That time I enquired at DEC(over the phone and checked in their website too) about the validity of the course and they gave me the green signal. In 2012 after passing the exam I got to know about the territorial jurisdiction issue and enquired about it to PTU. PTU sent me a copy of letter isued by DEC on the basis of 35th board meeting of DEC dated 10th March 2010 where DEC said that:
    "Territorial jurisdiction for Distance Education and On-line Education cannot have territorial jurisdiction and in case of Central and State Universities the territorial jurisdictioin shall be as per the Act, Statues and Distance Education regulations of the respective Universities for all their programmes."

    In the next paragraph of the letter DEC has given approval to the distance courses of PTU too.

    According to PTU as I took admission in 2010 and passed it in March 2012, much before the UGC has issued the new regulation my degree is valid. Is it true?

    I want to sit for CSIR-NET but worried about the validity of degree.

    Please advise.

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    1. Hi,
      DEc later withdrawn approval given to PTU on the basis of certain violations.
      See, as far as NET concern, they do not reject any application. What I suggest you is:
      Apply for NET and appear for exam and clear it, then apply for government job Ph.D
      At that time, it will clear the picture.

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  7. HELLO GOVIND SIR , I AM FROM PUNJAB. IN PUNJAB THERE IS ALSO CAL-C (Punjab Infotech)WHICH PROVIDE PGDCA. MY QUERY IS THAT :-
    IS IT VALID INSTITUTE ?
    ITS PGDCA IS VALID OR NOT?
    AFTER PGDCA FROM THIS IS IT PROVIDE LATERAL ENTRY IN M.SC IT ?
    SIR ITS SITE IS :- http://punjabinfotech.gov.in/

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    1. please give any answer sir !!

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    2. Hi
      This organisation is a punjab government undertaking and offering PGDCA from PTU.
      It does not violate the UGC norms (as norm is only say that PTU cannot appoint a private franchisee to awards its qualification) and since Punjab Infotech is a government undertaking, hence its PGDCA stands valid.

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    3. Thanks sir, but in my area hoshiarpur(punjab) there is one study center which provide PGDCA from CAL-C. so after doing from this study center, is my PGDCA is valid .
      And after this am i get lateral entry in M.SC(IT).

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    4. Hi,

      If it is direct from Punjab Infotech you can go ahead. Your degree remains valid. If PTU has lateral entry scheme, then you are eligible.

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    5. but actually sir i am doing it from study center. so now what i do ! is my PGDCA is valid after this i.e from study center.

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    6. Is this centre run by Punjab Infotech? If yes, it is valid
      If not, then it is invalid

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    7. sir they said that it is authorized center of CAL-C. so is it valid ?

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    9. No, then it becomes franchisee agreement and stands non recognized for government job. As per UGC directives, franchising of higher education is not allowed.

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    10. thanks sir. sir jadi mai LPU ki baat karu to maine unko vi phone kiya or kaha ki mai distance education mai admission chayta hu or apne exam vi campus mai dena chyta hu. to sir unho ne kaha hum distance education ke exam campus mai nahi lete . or kaha pehle lete thi but abi je system humne band kar diya hai. so yadi aap distance mai admission lete hai to apko study center mai hi exam dene honge.

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    11. Ask them to provide the same thing in writing and also ask them to provide letter from UGC where they have approved LPU to appoint study centre to conduct its distance education.
      Without UGC approval, such degrees of private universities stands invalid.

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  8. Hello Govind...
    I have awarded Phd in Dec 2012 from CMJ..done my research purely ,done VIVA.litereature survey almost all are hard work...Now what is the situation of My doctorate..is this eligible? What i have to do for further?

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    1. Hi,

      Government has declared the qualification invalid, still I suggest you to send an RTI application to UGC and ask clarity about it and clearly mention
      Whether eligible for lecturership
      Whether qualification is valid for employment.

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    2. Hello Govind...
      I have got MBA from CMJ university main campus from 2010-2012..Afterwards i started preparing for NET & this time filled the form for December examination..Please reply as huge confusion is going on right now regarding the validity of the degrees awarded.

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  9. hello Govind
    I am from Punjab, I had done graduation (BBA) from CMJ university (2009-2012).Is it valid ?

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    1. If you have done it in distance mode, it stands invalid even the full time degree from this university does not have clarity as it is learnt that SC has directed Meghalaya Governor to take a final call on this within a stipulated time frame.

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  10. Hi govind..
    I have done b.a from cmj university....2010.2012....is it valid or how can I verify it

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    1. if it is a full time on campus (no off campus, no industry integrated) then it has rare chance of acceptability. All other qualification stands invalid. Please send RTI query to CMJ university and UGC directly

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  11. Dear sir
    I have done b.com from eillm university 2010-13 is it valid for higher education or not.
    Thank you.

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    1. no

      if you have not got the degree by attending full time campus at Sikkim then it stands invalid

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  12. IS AFTER AUGUST 2012 ADMISSION IN PUNJAB TECHNICAL UNIVERSITY THROUGH DISTANCE MODE VALID OR INVALID OUTSIDE THE STATE.AND WHATS WILL HAPPEN WITH THOSE STUDENTS WHO HAS ALREADY PAY FEES TO PTU

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    1. it stands non recognized if completed through study centre anywhere and if it is taken from outside Punjab, it stands non recognized.

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    2. Hi Govind,

      CMJ university is listed as private university with UGC in UGC wesbite, then just because there was some issue with the management, why should students life be efffected, is there a way out of it for people who did it on campus.

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    3. its completely wrong. It is not the management issue, it is issue of selling degree which is clearly visible. Only due to nexus between CMJ, UGC and politicians, it saved its skin for long

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  13. Hi Govind,

    I Enrolled into EIILM University BSc IT Program in 2009. I have completed First Year in 2010 and Second Year in 2011. The Third Year Marksheet and Degree is awaited.
    I have been reading your Blogs and it provides vital info required. Very Much Appreciated.

    My question is : Do I have to start Graduation again from First Year 2013 Onwards or can I take migration in Third Year of any UGC Recognised Government University.?

    I believe Government should interfere and provide migration / transfer of students to other universities because a Student looses 3+ Precious years if a university is de-registered by UGC.

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    1. Check with university of Madras and Annamalai University, they may accept you for lateral entry into third year. Usually they accept all students from a UGC approved university however I am not sure about EIILM.

      I agree to you but government are least bothered. Without nexus with government, these private universities cannot run such a huge racket of education degree selling.

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  14. Respected govind sir ,
    I have done M tech from Nagpur university...Now I want to do phd , from one of the source i came to know about sagar university but i have some questions in mind ..so i request u plz focus light on this
    1) Can i do phd in CSE from sagar uni
    2) Weather phd will be valid in Nagpur university
    3) weather university is good or not

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  15. govind sir
    I want to do phd from MATS university,Raipur...so what is opinion kindly suggest me

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  16. sir i want to do phd from MATS uni,raipur...kindly suggest me

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    1. Avoid it if it is not a full time degree and not from their own campus at Raipur.

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  17. Sir,i completed my graduation from CMJ university,in BCOM. What fault was mine,everything was just fine,i verified in UGC.net,its wsa approved.I did on Campus classes.All of a sudden,things just hit me like an tsunami.Now i am just lost,counting my,just preparing myself for suicide.People mite call me coward,i dont mine,have just lost everything,honestly I am exhausted.Given all my honesty in these 3 years,but all is waste.My dream are shattered,as simply as that.Am another victim of this corrupted government.I pray GOD em not re incarnated back in India .......thnks......hope we see each other in after life....

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    1. I agree to you.
      Do not worry, if your degree was a full time one, you still have the hope. Keep applying to good and reputed state or central universities.
      Being negative does not make you hopeful. You know you have done the degree honestly so you need not to be so negative.
      It was not your fault. Have you applied to any central or state university first? Apply then you may realise. Who knows there must be someone who accept your qualification. The more problem is for those who pursued it from distance mode and those who bought MBA and PH.D, you have least reason to worry.

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  18. hello gobind sharma ji......meine bsc pcm 2011 ko eillm university se ki hai g .mere pass three year k certificate , migration hai g,....kirpa je bata de ki mein post graduation ke lyi apni state ki university mein admission kar va k nhi g ...agar admission ho jati hai toh apni state ki university mein toh verification ki process mein hamhe koi mushkil toh nhi aye gi g ...ek aur baat g ugc ki site per eillm ko sirf 3 course hi dec se accept hai or koi jaise bsc distance mode mein nhi hai .mein jo bsc ki hai wo apex institute se ki hai ..mein dobida mein hu k mere certificate per koi distance mode mention nhi kiya hai g aur kya je fir regular mode manni jaye gi degree g kirpa enn baaton ka uttar jarur sankishp mein de g ...aap ka dhanyabad hoga gagan sharma g

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    1. Hi
      If it is a full time degree you may be accepted. Still, there is no harm to apply and see. EIILM is under controversy for many things and biggest one was degree fraud for which their top officials were arrested too.
      You must apply to state university. You have to submit migration certificate as well as course completion/ transfer certificate of EIILM which must mention mode of your education.

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  19. hello sir, my graduation bsc pcm from Eillm university complete 2011. Sir i have recevied 3 year DMC & Migration .Sir plz help me bcoz i have got admission own state university course..verification process abhi rah ti hai sir mein confuse ho kyon ki ugc ki site per jo list update hoyi hai us mein eillm k sirf 3 course hi distace mode mein valid hai ...toh sir plz mujhe agge ka margdarshan karn sir .ki mein agge state university mein admission continue rakh o k nhi g .ek baat or sir DMC per kahi bi distance mode mention nhi hai...

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  20. hello sir, my graduation bsc pcm from Eillm university complete 2011. Sir i have recevied 3 year DMC & Migration .Sir plz help me bcoz i have got admission own state university course..verification process abhi rah ti hai sir mein confuse ho kyon ki ugc ki site per jo list update hoyi hai us mein eillm k sirf 3 course hi distace mode mein valid hai ...toh sir plz mujhe agge ka margdarshan karn sir .ki mein agge state university mein admission continue rakh o k nhi g .ek baat or sir DMC per kahi bi distance mode mention nhi hai...

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  21. Dear Govind Sir,
    I have forwarded my online request to R.T.I for my diploma degree EIILM. Also i got the acknowledgment that they have forwarded my scanned documents to UGC and EIILM university.Awaiting for their reply. If in case the R.T.I gives approval than will this degree be valid????

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  22. Dear Sir,
    plz reply if the degree done regular from EIILM. Is that valid????

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    1. I have passed out on 2012 (diploma in mechanical).And shifted to ranchi and from here its difficult to personally visit the university.Can you please let me know what document we should tell the university to produce for identifying that we are on campus students as i checked they are providing the same degree certificate for both regular and off campus also.How will we justify our certificate.

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    2. Migration certificate, course completion certificate/ transfer certificate , final convocation certificate and an additional certificate mentioning the degree is full time and also ask them to mention AICTE approval no

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    3. Dear Sir,
      While answering the above query please also let me know as you asked about AICTE approval please check this link and let me know shall i ask for the AICTE approval no to the university or is AICTE not mandatory for as per the act mentioned...................http://www.eiilmuniversity.ac.in/recongnition.html
      With Regards
      Abhishek.

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    4. They are lying. Although Supreme court judgment has come, it says university does not require approval but the college i.e. department requires and anyway, none of the universities and colleges will accept a non AICTE approved degree. Ask them for the recognition from AICTE

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  23. Please reply Sir as it is only possible to get provisional,migration,convocation,mark sheet. Will this certificate sufficient or any thing more i should ask from the university.

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    1. Ask them to provide certificate stating this is a full time degree

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  24. Dear Sir,
    i only received mark sheet, provisional certificate, migration certificate only convocation is yet to come which i had talk with my local friends.They said its already available and can be collected at any time.They have collected too.Is there any thing more to ask as i don't guess they are producing any thing instead of the above mentioned 4 certificate as per the discussion with my local friends..

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    1. Collect convocation certificate and also collect a certificate stating this is the full time degree programme

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    2. I asked my friends to inquire about the certificate stating full time degree to the university. But after they inquired in few university locally , they found there is no such type of certificate produce by any university. My friend who have done locally in ranchi for BIT misra, I cross checked there certificates and query the departments here in ranchi. They are also not aware about it. If you don't mind it would really help, if you can send me a picture of such type of certificate in which regularor part time is mentioned???? Even i cross checked the certificates of my sis who completed here graduation from mumbai university and MA in open learning same Mumbai university. But in both the certificaes i checked there is nothing mentioned full time or part time.Can you Please help....

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    3. Hi Abhishek,

      The university has to issue a separate letter signed by the registrar.
      It is wrong to compare Mumbai University with the EIILM (EIILM's own VC and register were arrested for degree scam)
      Further, Mumbai University does not violate its territorial jurisdiction and offer the distance learning course in strict manner (much more strict than the regular programme). Mumbai University IDOL clearly mention it in the migration certificate about the department i.e. IDOL and there is nothing such as part time course offered in Mumbai University (only management programmes are offered in part time mode). Be after the EIILM ask them to provide the required documents for your safer future.

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  25. Hello sir, i am from punjab. There is also CAL-C in punjab which provide pgdca
    After PGDCA from CAL-C may i apply for any central government jobs based on PGDCA because it is not university.

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  26. Hello Sir,
    First of all, let me than you for this great service you are offering to all of us.

    I am from Kerala and I have completed my B Tech Course, but there are many papers to clear. After that, I tried to get certified through CMJ University and as you know that also failed.

    Now can you advise me a way forward in doing a Govt. approved Degree / Diploma as I want to progress with a career. We are in utter dilemma and unable to find a clear way forward. ?

    Thank you in advance.
    Prem

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  27. Hello..i will get degree later and my university will temporarily be giving only provisional certifiate.my question is this that is this ok to go with provisional certificate to employers

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  28. I will be awarded degree later but my uniersity will be giving only provisional cert now.is this ok to go with provisional cert to employer

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    1. Employer ask marksheets only. Certificates are not mandatory

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  29. Hi sir I have done my bca in cmj university its 2 years back I am not getting good job now . for which company in Bangalore I can apply for job

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    1. CMJ university degree will not be accepted by majority of the employer. You should do higher studies from a good, reputed institute and that may help you

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  30. hi sir

    i am completed my BCA first and second year from uts raipur and 2002 and 2003 and complete final year from vinayaka mision university pls tell me i am eligible for goverment job pls help me sir

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  31. i am completed my bca first and second year from uts university raipur and final year from vinayka mission university . i m eligible for goverment job or not pls help me sir

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  32. Hello sir
    Sir I have done my m.a English from eiilm university in 2009 - 2010 after that I went for b.ed from Mdu . Having a job in teaching . But confused will this scam of degrees will hit my career.

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  33. Hi Govind,
    I have done my graduation from EIILM in 2009-2011, I have received my mark sheets but the degree is not received from university.
    What should I do?
    I am 32 years old, kindly suggest as my carrier is in dilemma,
    Should I have to do graduation again?
    Please respond.

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  34. Hello Sir,
    I completed B.Sc from EIILM University back in 2012 (Session 2009-12). In 2009, the university also had DEC approval. I didn't face any problem when getting admission for MCA in 2013 in West Bengal University of Technology. I am going to complete MCA this year. But as heard from news, EIILM university has been closed recently. So my question is What will happen to those who already passed from that university and in legal way??

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  35. hello sir i am thing to do BCA from sunrise univeristy which is situated at alwar Rajasthan, could you pls tell me is sunrise univeristy is fake or not means vaild degree or not????

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